A passing chemist told me a four-carbon ring with double bonds all the way round is impossible — why?
I was playing with a molecular model kit and built a four-membered carbon ring where every carbon was double-bonded to the next one all the way around. It went together fine physically, which I took as some kind of evidence.
Somebody walking past said that molecule cannot exist, and then admitted they could not immediately explain why beyond "it just cannot".
The model kit obviously does not know any chemistry, so I am not treating it as proof. But I would like to know what specifically rules it out — is it the ring size, the number of double bonds, or something about how they sit next to each other?
@phase_diagram_finn · 2w ago
Worth separating two different strains that get muddled here, because your model kit felt fine for a reason.
Angle strain is what you get from forcing bond angles away from where they want to be. Cyclobutane already has this — its corners are near ninety degrees where carbon prefers about 109 — and it copes, at an energy cost.
The linearity requirement of cumulated double bonds is much more severe. You would need to bend something that wants to be 180 degrees down to 90. That is not a strained molecule, that is a different bonding arrangement entirely.
Model kits are built to be forgiving because otherwise nobody could assemble anything. The plastic joints flex, so they will happily let you build molecules that would cost hundreds of kilojoules per mole. Building it proves the connectivity is imaginable, nothing more.
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