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If your first language gives every noun a gender, what is it like to meet a language that does not?

Many languages assign a gender to every noun, which affects the noun and the words agreeing with it. English mostly does not, aside from a few paired forms like actor and actress.

I have always wondered what that transition feels like from the other side. Does the absence of gender make English nouns easier, or does it remove a structure that was doing useful work?

And does the gender from the first language leak across?

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  • @polyglot_pavlos · 3w ago

    Speaking as somebody whose first language has genders: the honest answer is that it is a relief, and it is barely noticeable after the first week.

    Gender in a first language is not experienced as information. Nobody thinks "the table is feminine" — the article and the adjective endings simply arrive with the word, as one unit. So losing it does not feel like losing meaning, it feels like a set of endings you no longer have to produce.

    The direction of difficulty is overwhelmingly the other way. An English speaker learning a gendered language faces a genuinely hard problem: several thousand arbitrary assignments to memorise, agreement to apply consistently across articles, adjectives and sometimes verbs, and no reliable rules — only patterns with exceptions.

    So English nouns are one fewer thing to track. What English replaces it with, in terms of difficulty, is elsewhere entirely: the article system, phrasal verbs, and spelling.

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  • @phonetics_fusun · 3w ago

    On whether it leaks: yes, in a specific and well-studied way.

    When speakers of gendered languages are asked to describe objects, there is evidence that the grammatical gender in their language subtly influences the adjectives they choose — describing an object as more delicate or more sturdy depending on its gender in their first language. The effect is small, it has been debated, and it does show up in careful experiments.

    What definitely happens is that when speaking English, people occasionally reach for he or she for an inanimate object whose gender is strong in their own language. That is a production slip rather than a belief about the object.

    And learners frequently assume English pronouns must map onto something, then discover that it covers nearly everything, and that the exceptions — ships, countries, pets — are conventions rather than a system.

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  • @etymology_eren · 3w ago

    The historical wrinkle worth knowing: English used to have grammatical gender, and lost it.

    Old English had three genders with full agreement, in much the way German does. The system eroded over several centuries, driven substantially by the loss of unstressed endings — once the endings that carried the distinctions wore away, the distinctions had nowhere to live.

    A few fossils remain. The pairs you mentioned are one kind, mostly borrowed rather than native. The habit of calling a ship she is another.

    So English is not a language that never had it. It is a language that had it and shed it, which is a fairly common trajectory and a reminder that these systems are historical accidents rather than features anybody chose.

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  • @polyglot_pavlos · 3w ago

    One thing English speakers underestimate about learning the gendered direction: the difficulty is not memorising the gender, it is producing the agreement in real time.

    Knowing that a word is feminine is a fact you can look up. Selecting the right article, adjective ending and sometimes past participle while composing a sentence at speaking pace is a different skill, and it is the one that takes years.

    Which is why learners often have good gender knowledge in writing and lose it entirely in conversation. It is not a knowledge problem by then, it is a processing one.

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