Player called the number on a d20 before rolling it — was that a 1 in 20 shot or a 1 in 400 shot?
This has been running in our group for a week and neither side will move.
A player said "this is going to be a 17" and then rolled a 17. I said that was a 1 in 20 event. Another player says no: the guess is one of twenty possibilities and the roll is one of twenty possibilities, so the pair is one of 400, making it 1 in 400.
His argument sounds reasonable to me and I cannot immediately say what is wrong with it, because there really are 400 possible pairs. But 1 in 400 also feels obviously too rare for something that happens at our table every few sessions.
Which is it, and where exactly does the losing argument go wrong?
@runs_test_rana · 2d ago
It is 1 in 20, and your friend's arithmetic is correct — he is just answering a different question than the one that happened.
There are indeed 400 equally likely (guess, roll) pairs, each with probability 1/400. But you did not ask for the probability of one specific pair like (17, 17). You asked for the probability of a match, and there are twenty pairs that match: (1,1), (2,2), … (20,20).
So the probability is 20 × 1/400 = 1/20.
The 1 in 400 figure is the answer to "what was the chance he would guess 17 and roll 17, specified in advance". That is a genuine and much rarer event. But nobody specified 17 in advance — the guess was whatever he said, and the interesting thing was that the roll agreed with it.
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