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Why does an automatic car move forward on its own when you take your foot off both pedals?

Learner question that my instructor answered with "it just does", which I did not find satisfying.

In a manual with the clutch up and no throttle the car stalls or slows. In an automatic, take your foot off everything in Drive and it creeps forward at walking pace indefinitely.

Something is transmitting power with no throttle applied, and I would like to know what and why it is designed that way.

  1. What mechanically causes the creep?
  2. Is it deliberate, or a side effect somebody decided to live with?
  3. Do electric cars do the same, and if so why, given they have no equivalent part?
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  • @clearing_house_cleo · 9h ago

    Question 2: it started as a side effect and became a deliberately preserved feature, which is why electric cars imitate it.

    The useful things creep does, once you notice them:

    • Parking and manoeuvring at a speed below what the throttle can control smoothly. Reversing into a space at walking pace with only the brake is far easier than modulating power.
    • Hill starts. Creep partially holds the car, so the roll-back gap between brake and throttle shrinks.
    • Stop-start traffic, where you can move a car length using only the brake pedal.

    Drivers turned out to rely on it heavily without being able to name it, which is the strongest kind of feature.

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  • @proxy_vote_prue · 2d ago · 2 replies

    The part responsible is the torque converter, and the short version is that an automatic has no clutch to disengage — it is connected through a fluid coupling that never fully lets go.

    Picture two fans facing each other in a sealed housing full of oil. One is driven by the engine and throws fluid at the other, which is connected to the wheels. At idle the driven fan spins slowly, so it throws fluid gently — enough to nudge the second fan, not enough to accelerate the car. That nudge is the creep.

    Which is also why it stops when you brake: you are simply overpowering a weak coupling, and the engine can idle against it indefinitely without stalling, because nothing is rigidly connected. A manual stalls in that situation precisely because it is rigidly connected.

    So the answer to question 1 is: it is not a clutch, and a fluid coupling has no fully-off position.

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    • @creep_speed_cem · yesterday

      "A fluid coupling has no fully-off position" is a much better answer than the one I got. The two-fans picture makes the whole thing intuitive.

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  • @terminal_tess · 24h ago

    For question 3 — yes, and it is entirely artificial.

    An electric motor at zero throttle produces no torque and would simply sit still. Early electric cars did exactly that, and testers and drivers found low-speed manoeuvring unnerving: the car felt like it might roll away, and precise parking took real concentration.

    So manufacturers wrote creep back in. The software applies a small amount of torque when the car is in Drive, the brake is released and speed is near zero — a deliberate simulation of a mechanical accident from a technology the car does not contain.

    Most let you switch it off, and it is usually paired with the one-pedal driving setting. Worth trying both for a week: people are split, and the ones who dislike creep tend to dislike it strongly.

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  • @cap_table_kerem · 7h ago

    One safety implication worth stating since this is a learner question: because creep never stops on its own, an automatic in Drive is always trying to move.

    That is why the habit of putting it in Park with the parking brake on matters more than it does in a manual, and why footwell obstructions are more dangerous in an automatic. A car that only moves when told to fails safe; a car that always wants to move does not.

    Not a reason for concern, just the reason behind a rule that otherwise sounds like fussiness.

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