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My 12 year old hatchback needs a 1400 clutch at 190k km, repair or replace Repair or Replace

Clutch is slipping badly on hills. Quote is 1400 including a dual mass flywheel. The car is otherwise sound: no rust, tyres are six months old, timing belt done at 150k, brakes fine, passed its last inspection with no advisories. A comparable replacement is 7000 to 9000 in my market and I would have to borrow for it. Everyone keeps telling me not to throw good money after bad, which I understand as a phrase but not as a calculation.

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  • @otis_haverford · 3mo ago · 3 replies

    Repair, and it is not a close call.

    The calculation that replaces the good money after bad phrase: compare the repair to the cost of owning the replacement for the same period. 7000 borrowed over four years is somewhere around 165 a month before insurance and before the depreciation. Your 1400 is about eight or nine months of that payment, and the car it buys you has a fresh clutch, new tyres and a belt done 40000km ago.

    The rule I use is this. Replace when the failures start stacking, meaning two significant unrelated bills within six months, or when something structural goes, meaning rust in the shell or a failed automatic gearbox. One large but ordinary wear item on a sound body is not that.

    One thing to ask while it is apart. The gearbox has to come out for a clutch, so ask what else is normally done at the same time on this engine, rear main seal, clutch slave cylinder, sometimes the release bearing is already in the kit. Doing them now costs parts. Doing them later costs the whole labour again.

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    • @obsolete_by_now · 3mo ago

      Asked. Rear main seal is 40 in parts while it is out and they quoted 380 to do it as its own job later. Adding it.

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    • @shopvac_ghost · 3mo ago

      Ask about the slave cylinder too if it is the concentric type inside the bell housing. Those fail at around this age and replacing one later means the gearbox comes out again for a 60 part.

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  • @pandl_paula · 3mo ago · 2 replies

    Agree, with one addition: get a second quote. 1400 with a dual mass flywheel is not unreasonable but the spread on this job between an independent specialist and a general garage is often 300 to 400. Ask both whether the price includes the flywheel or whether that is extra if it turns out to be worn, because that is the classic mid job surprise.

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    • @gio_castellan · 3mo ago

      And ask whether they are fitting a solid conversion kit or a like for like dual mass. Cheaper, but noticeably different to drive and not everyone likes it.

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  • @epsilon_eddie · 3mo ago · 2 replies

    Also worth checking the clutch is actually the fault. A slipping feel on hills can come from a stretched or badly adjusted cable on some cars, or a hydraulic problem, and both are far cheaper. Any decent garage will have checked, but if the diagnosis was over the phone, get it on the lift first.

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    • @query_quinn · 3mo ago

      Mine was a failing master cylinder and it presented exactly as a slipping clutch to me as a driver. 190 instead of 1300.

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  • @threefund_dana · 3mo ago

    Sit down and write out what a replacement actually costs you in year one: purchase, higher insurance, transfer taxes or fees, and whatever the new car needs immediately because used cars always need something. Then compare it to 1400. The phrase people are repeating at you sounds like maths but it is not.

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