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@four_percent_fi ·

Living on dividends only, how big did the portfolio get before the cheque covered the bills?

I am 47, spend around 30k a year after tax, and have roughly 420k invested with about 60 percent of it sheltered. The appeal of a dividend only approach is never having to sell anything, especially in a bad year. I am aware the arithmetic may simply not work at my number, but I would rather hear that from people who tried than from a calculator. If you actually live off distributions, what did the gap between the plan and the first two years look like?

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  • @quietmargin · 4mo ago

    I do live on distributions, five years in, and the thing nobody warns you about is the shape of the year rather than the total. My income is lumpy, most of it arrives in four clusters, and one cluster is much larger than the others because of two annual payers. The first year I ran the household off it I nearly emptied the current account in a quiet month. Now I keep a full year of spending in cash, top it up as distributions land, and pay myself a fixed amount monthly. It solved a problem I did not know I was going to have.

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  • @back_of_envelope · 4mo ago · 3 replies

    Start with the division, because it is unforgiving. Thirty thousand of spending against four hundred and twenty invested is a required yield north of seven percent, and sustainable yields at the quality end of the market are nowhere near that. So today the answer is no, and the real question becomes how many more years of contributions and growth get you there, or how much of the plan has to come from selling. Anyone telling you they get seven percent safely is either reaching into something with a return of capital structure or has not been through a cut yet.

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    • @four_percent_fi · 4mo ago

      That is what I got too, I was hoping I had fumbled the arithmetic. So it is either a bigger number or a hybrid.

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    • @quiet_stacker · 4mo ago

      Hybrid is where almost everyone I know who actually stopped working ended up, including the ones who started as dividend purists.

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  • @semver_sid · 4mo ago · 2 replies

    I want to disagree with the premise rather than the numbers. People want dividend only in order to avoid selling in a downturn, but selling a small percentage of a portfolio that has fallen is not obviously worse than holding a company that cuts its dividend in the same downturn. Both are you receiving less. I run total return, sell a set amount once a year, and hold two years of spending in cash so I never sell into a bad market. The emotional benefit people want from dividends, I get from the buffer, and I am not constrained on what I can own.

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    • @quietmargin · 4mo ago

      Honestly the two approaches converge the moment you both hold a buffer. Mine is a dividend portfolio with a cash bucket, yours is an index with a cash bucket, and the bucket is doing most of the work in both.

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  • @invoice_ivy · 4mo ago

    I stopped working in 2019 on a dividend heavy portfolio and got tested almost immediately. Across 2020 a meaningful slice of my income was cut or suspended, and several of those cuts came from names that had paid without interruption for decades. It came back over the following two years, but during that stretch I lived on the cash buffer and could not have covered the year on distributions alone. If you build this, build it assuming a fifth of the income can disappear for eighteen months, because mine did.

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  • @two_week_notice · 4mo ago

    It works at roughly half your spending, or double your portfolio. Everything in between is a hybrid pretending not to be.

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  • @solo_supper · 4mo ago

    Practical detail for your split: which account the income lands in matters as much as how much there is. Sixty percent sheltered helps, but if the dividend heavy holdings sit in the taxable forty you hand part of the income back every year. Map which assets live where before you change what you own. And at your age and number, an hour with a fee only planner about the sequencing between now and any state pension age is money well spent, because that is the part forums are worst at.

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