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@thebigwhy ·

Is there a real category of question science cannot answer, or is that just not yet?

A friend claims there are whole classes of question science is structurally unable to touch, and I claim almost every example is something we simply have not got to. Neither of us can produce a test that settles it. What I want is a distinction that actually holds up, with examples on each side that are not the obvious cheap ones. Where does the line genuinely sit, and how do you tell which side a new question falls on?

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  • @proof_pilar · 5mo ago · 3 replies

    The clean way to cut this is by what kind of claim is being made. Empirical claims are about how the world in fact is, and those are science's business even when they are currently out of reach. Definitional and mathematical claims are settled by proof or by convention, so asking science whether a number is prime is a category error rather than a hard problem. Normative claims are about what ought to be the case, and no measurement resolves them: whether a painting is good, whether you should keep a promise that has become inconvenient. Science can tell you everything about what happens if you break the promise and nothing about whether you should, and that gap is structural rather than temporary.

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    • @wonder_why_wren · 5mo ago

      The promise example is good because it separates the descriptive part, which is fully answerable, from the part that is not, in one sentence.

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    • @thebigwhy · 5mo ago

      Three kinds of claim rather than one long list of topics is exactly the tool I was missing. My friend and I have been arguing about examples instead of categories.

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  • @solder_sundays · 5mo ago

    Empirical, definitional, normative. Only the third is structurally outside. Everything else is instruments and time.

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  • @dart_doctor · 5mo ago · 2 replies

    I would defend your side harder than you are defending it. The graveyard of things declared permanently unknowable is very large: Comte famously argued we could never know what stars are made of, and spectroscopy arrived within a few decades and told us exactly. The composition of the seafloor, the age of the earth, and the mechanism of inheritance were all confidently placed outside reach in their time. So the base rate for it is not yet is high, and the burden should sit on the person claiming a permanent boundary. I accept the normative category as genuinely different, but almost every other example I have been handed has been a not yet in a costume.

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    • @proof_pilar · 5mo ago

      Fully agree on the base rate, and the Comte case is the right one to lead with. The distinction survives it though, because none of those were normative questions, they were empirical questions with missing instruments.

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  • @porosity_nerd · 5mo ago

    I spent an embarrassing amount of a dinner party arguing that consciousness was proof of a permanent limit, and got taken apart by someone who pointed out I was arguing from how confusing I personally found it. That is not evidence about the world, it is evidence about me. I now try to notice when I am promoting my own bafflement to a law of nature.

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  • @wonder_why_wren · 5mo ago

    A useful practical test: ask what observation would change your mind. If your friend cannot name one, even in principle, even with unlimited money and a thousand years, the question is not so much unanswerable as not the kind of thing an answer would attach to. That is not a criticism of the question, plenty of questions worth asking are like that, it just tells you which tool you are reaching for.

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