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Starting a funded PhD at 38 with a mortgage, what did the age gap actually change day to day

Fourteen years in industry and I have an offer with a stipend that is roughly a third of what I earn now. My partner works and we can survive it on paper, but I will be forty three or forty four finishing and everyone in the cohort photos looks about twenty four. I am not worried about the work, I am worried about being the odd one out with an advisor younger than me. What was genuinely different, good and bad?

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  • @quietmargin · 2mo ago · 2 replies

    On the younger advisor: set it up explicitly in the first month rather than letting it be awkward for six years. Say out loud, once, that you have industry experience and no academic experience, that you expect to be supervised as a student and not as a peer, and ask how they want to be told when you disagree. Junior advisors are often more anxious about supervising an older student than the student is about being supervised, and naming it defuses the whole thing. The pairs I have seen go wrong went wrong because the older student quietly behaved like a colleague and the advisor quietly resented it, and neither said anything for two years.

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    • @deadline_dee · 2mo ago

      This is the best advice in the thread. The unspoken version of that dynamic destroys more of these than money does.

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  • @deadline_dee · 2mo ago

    Mild disagreement with the framing that the social side is a problem to solve. Treat it as a job, turn up, do good work, go home, and the cohort question quietly evaporates. I did mine in my thirties surrounded by people ten years younger and the friendships I made were with two postdocs and a technician, all of them roughly my age and stage, none of them in my cohort. The cohort is an artefact of admissions, not a friendship group you owe anything to.

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  • @kitchen_table_talk · 2mo ago · 3 replies

    Started at thirty six, finished at forty two, and the honest summary is that the age gap was the least significant thing about it. What was different in a good way: I had run projects before, so I could scope work, say no, and read a room in a meeting, and those three things are worth more in a PhD than raw cleverness. What was different in a bad way: the cohort bonds over being broke and free on Thursdays, and I had a mortgage and a school run, so I was never going to be at those pub nights and I had to build my social life around the department rather than inside it. The thing nobody warns you about is that you go from being the person who knows how everything works to being the person who does not know how anything works, and that is a genuine ego event around month four.

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    • @pivot_pete · 2mo ago

      The going from competent to incompetent thing is exactly what I have been circling and not naming. Good to know it lands around month four.

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    • @gradschool_gary · 2mo ago

      It passes. What helps is having one thing you are already good at that the lab needs, even something mundane like version control or running a meeting.

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  • @batch_bea · 2mo ago

    The cost that actually mattered for me was not the stipend, it was the years of pension contributions and salary growth that did not happen, and I only sat down and calculated it in year three. That does not mean do not do it, it means do the calculation now with a spreadsheet rather than discovering it later with a knot in your stomach. Also budget for the fact that the finish date on the offer letter is optimistic in most fields, so run the numbers on the honest length rather than the advertised one. If the sums still work, they work, and you will never again wonder.

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  • @mat_mira · 2mo ago

    Older students in my department finish at a higher rate than the twenty two year olds, in my entirely unscientific observation, because they already know how to work when they do not feel like it. That is the whole skill.

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