four eu customers on a 29 plan - is there a threshold before vat becomes my problem
I am not in the EU. Four of my customers are, on a 29 a month plan, so about 1,400 a year from them in total. Two of the four gave me a company VAT number when they signed up, mostly because my form asked for one and I have never done anything with it.
I keep reading about a 10,000 threshold and then reading somewhere else that it does not apply to me. I would like to know which, because right now I am charging everyone the same number and hoping.
Also, is the answer just to move to a merchant of record and stop thinking about it? That looks like it costs about 5% plus a fixed fee per transaction, which on 1,400 a year is not much, but it means changing how everyone pays including the customers who have nothing to do with the EU.
@nightbus_nina · 8mo ago · 2 replies
The 10,000 threshold is the source of most of the confusion here and it is not yours. It is an EU-wide threshold for businesses established in the EU selling cross-border to consumers in other member states - under it they can keep charging their home country rate, over it they charge the customer's rate.
A business established outside the EU supplying digital services to EU consumers does not get that threshold. The obligation starts at the first sale to a consumer, at the VAT rate of the country that consumer is in.
The simplification for someone in your position is the non-Union one stop shop: you register in a single member state of your choosing, charge each consumer their own country's rate, and file one quarterly return through that portal covering all of them rather than registering in each country separately.
Your two customers with valid VAT numbers are a different case. Business to business inside the EU is normally handled by reverse charge - you do not charge VAT, the customer accounts for it. But you have to validate the number rather than trust the form, keep evidence that you did, and put the right note on the invoice. An invalid number that you accepted at face value leaves the VAT with you.
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@flat_rate_finn · 8mo ago
One nuance worth knowing: these rules are for electronically supplied services, meaning essentially automated delivery with minimal human involvement. If part of what you sell is you doing setup or configuration work by hand, that portion can fall under different place-of-supply rules. Most self-serve SaaS is squarely in the automated bucket, but if you bundle onboarding hours it is worth a conversation with someone who does this for a living.
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