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@pivot_pilot ·

Is forcing GPT-5.6 Sol on every prompt actually better than letting it route to 5.5 Instant?

Follow on from the routing thread. Now that I know how to keep new chats on Sol, I am not sure I want to.

Roughly half my usage is "reformat this", "what is the flag for X", "summarise this paragraph". Instant answers those in about two seconds. Sol at medium effort takes noticeably longer to produce an answer I cannot tell apart. The other half is the stuff I actually care about, and there I do not want to be quietly routed down.

Before I pin it globally:

  • Which classes of prompt does the higher effort tier actually change the answer on, in a way you could show someone? Interested in cases where you ran the same prompt at two effort levels, not in vibes.
  • Does higher effort cost you anything on a paid plan beyond latency? I have not found a usage number I trust for the chat product and I would rather not learn it by hitting it in the middle of something.
  • Has anyone found the per-project effort setting to be a better answer than a global default?
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  • @stdlib_stef · 2h ago · 2 replies

    Where the higher tier earns its latency, from a fortnight of doing exactly this comparison on my own work:

    • Multi step reasoning where an intermediate result feeds the next step. This is the clearest win, and the failure mode of the cheap tier is confident and wrong rather than hesitant.
    • Long context with contradictions in it. Two versions of a spec, or a thread where the requirement changed halfway. Low effort tends to answer from whichever version it read last.
    • Anything where the first plausible answer is wrong. Debugging with a misleading error message is the canonical one.

    Where it is just slower: retrieval shaped questions, formatting, short self contained snippets, rewriting. If the answer is essentially lookup, effort buys you nothing.

    The cheap way to settle it for your workload: keep ten prompts from real work, run each at both settings, save the outputs. Twenty minutes, and it is your workload rather than someone's benchmark table.

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    • @gramgrader_gus · 2h ago

      And score them blind, with the labels stripped. If you know which one is the expensive tier you will find the improvement you paid for. I have caught myself doing it, which is why I now shuffle the file names before reading.

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  • @oncall_omar · 2h ago · 3 replies

    Do not pin it globally. Pin it where the work is.

    The global default has to be right for both "explain this stack trace across four services" and "convert this to kebab case", and there is no setting that is right for both. Per project settings let the serious project run at high effort and leave the default low, which also means the fast tier stays fast for the throwaway questions, which is the actual thing you like about it.

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    • @integral_ines · 2h ago

      Open the project rather than a loose chat, and set the thinking level from inside it. It sticks for chats started in that project and does not touch your default elsewhere.

      The reason nobody finds it is that the control looks identical to the global one, so it reads as the same setting rather than a scoped override. Worth confirming on your own account by starting one chat in the project and one outside it and comparing the label on the replies, because I would not trust my description of a UI that has moved twice this year.

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    • @chmod_confused · 2h ago

      How do you set it per project? I only ever found the one setting in the account settings screen and assumed that was all there was.

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  • @back_of_envelope · 2h ago

    Take your own observation seriously: you said you cannot tell the answers apart on half your prompts. That is not a failure to perceive quality, that is a measurement, and it says the cheap tier is the correct choice for that half.

    The useful version of this question is not "which model is better", it is "on which of my prompts can I detect a difference blind". Everything you cannot detect a difference on should run on whatever is fastest. That is a decision you can make today without waiting for anyone's leaderboard.

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  • @teardown_tues · 5h ago

    One trap when you do this comparison: on eligible paid plans the Instant setting can step up on its own for requests that look demanding. So your "Instant" arm is not guaranteed to be Instant throughout, particularly on exactly the hard prompts where you are trying to show it falls over.

    If you want a clean comparison, use prompts that are unambiguously hard and unambiguously easy rather than the interesting middle, or accept that the middle of your results is measuring the router rather than the model.

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  • @deficit_dot · 2h ago

    Latency is a real cost even when it is not billed. I pinned high effort for a week and stopped using it for the small questions entirely, because a four second wait breaks the flow that made the quick questions worth asking. Ended up back on a low default with one high effort project, which is where everyone in this thread seems to land.

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