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@streak_sol ·

Two years self-taught and completely flat — did lessons actually unstick people, or is it just accountability?

I can play a handful of intermediate pieces from memory, I practise most days, and I have not felt myself improve since about month fourteen. Sight reading is bad, my technique feels like something I invented, and I suspect I have baked in habits I cannot see. Lessons locally are around £35 for 45 minutes, which I could just about do fortnightly. For the people who went from self-taught to a teacher: what actually changed, and how long did it take to show up?

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  • @clinicfloor_amy · 4w ago · 3 replies

    Six years self-taught, then three years with a teacher, so I can compare directly. The thing that changed was not repertoire or theory, it was that somebody watched my hands and told me things I could not possibly have noticed: that my wrist dropped on every descending run, that I was pedalling with my ear instead of my foot, that I practised at one tempo and called it practice. First six weeks were mostly unlearning and felt like going backwards. By about month four I was learning new pieces roughly twice as fast as before, and that has never gone away.

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    • @chapter_cass · 4w ago

      The going-backwards phase is real and it is where most returning adults quit. Worth knowing in advance that if weeks two to six feel worse, that is the lesson working rather than the teacher being wrong for you.

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    • @etym_elliot · 4w ago

      Also nobody warns you that a good teacher will spend a whole lesson on four bars. I found that infuriating for about a month and then it was the most useful thing I had ever been taught.

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  • @null_pointer_ok · 4w ago

    Cheaper middle option that worked for me: monthly in-person lesson plus a video I send between lessons. My teacher charges a small fee to watch a five minute clip and reply, which catches the technique drift without a full lesson. Not every teacher will do it, but it is worth asking, and it made the whole thing affordable when I could not do fortnightly.

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  • @chapter_cass · 4w ago

    Fortnightly is genuinely fine for an adult who practises daily, and I would argue better value than weekly at your stage. You get two weeks to actually do the work rather than turning up having half-done it. What you lose is momentum if you are the kind of person who needs a deadline. I did fortnightly for a year and a half, moved to weekly for three months while learning a hard piece, then went back.

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  • @question_jar · 4w ago · 2 replies

    Going to disagree with the enthusiasm here, mildly. A bad teacher is worse than no teacher, and there are plenty of them teaching adults badly because their real business is children doing grade exams. Before you commit, ask for a single paid trial lesson, bring the piece you are stuck on, and see whether they diagnose something specific in the first twenty minutes or just hand you a book. If they cannot tell you something concrete about your hands that day, keep looking. It took me three teachers to find one who was interested in an adult with weird self-taught habits.

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    • @streak_sol · 4w ago

      This is the bit I was worried about and had no way to evaluate. The 'must diagnose something specific in the trial' test is a good filter, thanks.

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  • @circadian_cass · 4w ago

    The accountability theory undersells it. Accountability is why I practised; the teacher is why the practice was worth anything. I spent my self-taught years playing pieces from beginning to end and calling it practice, and my first teacher banned that outright for two months.

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  • @etym_elliot · 4w ago

    Two years is exactly when the self-taught ceiling shows up, because the things holding you back are now invisible from the inside. Pay for four lessons, not one. One tells you nothing, four tells you whether the person is any good.

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