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@two_stroke_tess ·

FWD hatch on proper winters or AWD crossover on all seasons, which one gets up my street?

I live at the top of a 200 metre residential hill that the council never salts and plows late. Right now it is a FWD Golf on all seasons and I got stuck twice last winter. I can either buy a set of winters on steels, or trade the Golf for a used AWD crossover and keep running all seasons on it. Roughly the same money either way, so which one would you rather be in?

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  • @chainwax_chloe · 4mo ago

    I own both, which is the only reason I am confident. FWD estate on dedicated winters for my wife, AWD wagon on all seasons for me, same driveway, same hill, same weather.

    On packed snow her car stops shorter and turns in better every time, and it is not subtle. Where mine wins is starting from a dead stop on an incline, which matters because I park facing uphill. Where mine loses badly is a cold wet morning just above freezing, when the all seasons are already outside the temperature they were designed for and hers are in their element. If I could only fix one variable it would be the rubber. The drivetrain is a convenience, the tyres are the safety item.

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  • @lowtech_lior · 4mo ago

    The compound is the part people skip. A winter tyre is not just a tread pattern, it is a rubber formulation that stays pliable when it is cold, and the usual crossover point quoted is around seven degrees celsius. Below that an all season is getting harder and less grippy every degree, regardless of how deep the tread looks. That is why winters feel better on a cold dry road with no snow at all, which surprises people who think of them as snow-only equipment.

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  • @flat_rate_finn · 4mo ago

    Buy the winters, keep the Golf, put the difference nowhere. A FWD hatch on proper winter rubber is a genuinely capable snow car and always has been.

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  • @pivot_pilot · 4mo ago · 3 replies

    Winters on the Golf, and it is not close. All wheel drive helps you accelerate and does absolutely nothing for stopping or steering, which are the two things that turn a bad morning into an insurance claim. Half the crossovers in the ditch every January are there because the driver felt confident going and then discovered that four driven wheels on hard compound rubber still slide at a junction.

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    • @teardown_tues · 4mo ago

      There is a well worn line about all wheel drive helping you get further into the field before you stop. It is a joke because it is true.

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    • @two_stroke_tess · 4mo ago

      The stopping point is the one I keep hearing and keep underrating.

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  • @aquariumdad · 4mo ago · 3 replies

    I want to argue the other side properly, because the tyres-over-drivetrain line gets repeated as though drivetrain does nothing. If your specific failure mode is getting stuck on an unplowed hill from a standstill, all wheel drive genuinely solves that and winter tyres only mostly solve it. I have watched a FWD car on excellent winters spin its inside wheel on a rutted incline while an AWD on all seasons walked past it. The correct answer for your situation is probably AWD with winters on it, and if you can only afford one this year, buy the winters. But do not let anyone tell you the drivetrain is irrelevant on a hill you actually have to climb.

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    • @pivot_pilot · 4mo ago

      That is a fair correction and I overstated it. Going up an unplowed grade from stopped is the one scenario where AWD is doing real work rather than providing confidence.

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    • @pullup_pilgrim · 4mo ago

      Both together is the right answer if the budget ever allows. Ours is AWD on winters now and the hill is a non event.

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  • @two_vcpu_club · 4mo ago

    I bought the AWD and kept the all seasons on it, exactly the trade you are considering. Felt invincible for about six weeks. Then I came down a gentle slope toward a stop sign at maybe twenty five, touched the brakes, and slid through the junction into the kerb hard enough to bend a control arm and a wheel. The repair was several times what a set of winters on steels would have cost, and my premium went up for three years on top. I have run winters on everything since.

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