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@dewpoint_dora ·

Can I use my heat pump for cooling in summer, and what stops people who have reversible units from doing it?

Our air source heat pump is a reversible model, so in principle it can run the cycle backwards and cool the house.

When I asked about it I got a vague answer about it depending on the emitters and something about condensation, and the impression that it was not really on offer.

The house has underfloor heating downstairs and radiators upstairs. Summers here are getting genuinely uncomfortable upstairs and the idea of using equipment we already own is appealing.

What actually decides whether this is possible, and how much cooling would we realistically get?

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  • @dewpoint_dora · 2d ago

    The unit is the easy part. The emitters decide, and the answer is different for each of your two floors.

    Radiators cannot usefully cool. A radiator moves heat mostly by convection, driven by warm air rising off it. Run cold water through it and there is no convection to speak of — cold air sinks and pools at the floor, the radiator does very little, and you get a cold patch instead of a cool room. The output when cooling is a small fraction of its heating output. So upstairs, where you actually have the problem, radiators are not the route.

    Underfloor can cool, within limits, and the limit is condensation. A cooled floor works: it is a huge surface area and it takes heat out by radiation and a little convection. But the output is modest — a floor can only be so cold before it is unpleasant to stand on, and that caps how much heat you can remove. It handles taking the edge off a warm day. It does not handle a heatwave.

    Now the condensation, which is what your installer was gesturing at and is the thing to take seriously. Air holds a certain amount of moisture, and if any surface falls below the dew point of the room air, water condenses on it. Cool a floor below the dew point and you get a wet floor — slippery, and over time a genuine problem for the floor covering and anything under it.

    This is why proper underfloor cooling is not just "run the pump backwards":

    • You need humidity measurement in the rooms, not just temperature, and a controller that calculates the dew point and limits the flow temperature to stay safely above it.
    • The safe minimum flow temperature therefore moves with the weather. On a humid day it is high and you get very little cooling — which is, annoyingly, exactly when you want it most.
    • Ventilation matters more than you expect. Open windows on a humid day and you are importing moisture and pushing the dew point up.

    Also check whether it is even enabled. Plenty of reversible units are commissioned with cooling disabled in the installer settings, because enabling it without dew point control is a callback waiting to happen. Sometimes it needs a hardware option, a valve or a sensor. Ask specifically whether the unit supports it, whether it is enabled, and what dew point protection is in place.

    For the upstairs problem specifically, the realistic options are fan coil units — which blow air over a chilled coil, handle condensate through a drain, and actually dehumidify — or accepting that a separate air conditioning unit does this job far better. Fan coils can run off the same heat pump, which is the elegant answer if you are prepared to fit them.

    What I would not do is run cold water through existing radiators and hope. It does not work, and any condensation happens on pipework in places you cannot see.

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  • @heat_curve_hans · yesterday

    Worth adding what the efficiency actually looks like, because "we already own the equipment" is doing some heavy lifting in the plan.

    Cooling with a heat pump is not free. You are running the compressor and the circulation pump, and you are rejecting the heat outdoors, so the outdoor unit runs and makes its noise on exactly the still summer evenings when you would rather it did not.

    The efficiency is generally decent — moving heat is cheaper than making it — but the modest output from a floor means you are running for long periods for a small effect. Have a look at what that does to your summer consumption before assuming it is close to free.

    Also check your export or time-of-use arrangements if you have solar. Cooling in the middle of a sunny day is close to ideal for self-consumption and changes the sums considerably in its favour.

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  • @flow_meter_fiona · 3d ago

    One practical detail people discover late: pipework and manifolds need to be insulated for cooling, and heating installations frequently are not, or only partially.

    Cold pipes running through a warm void will condense on the outside. In a floor void or a ceiling that is a slow, invisible damp problem rather than an obvious puddle.

    So the honest scope of "enable cooling" on an existing system is: check the unit supports and permits it, add room humidity sensing and dew point limiting, verify every metre of pipework and every manifold is properly insulated and vapour-sealed, and only then turn it on. It is a project, not a setting.

    That is usually why the answer sounds vague. It is not that it cannot be done, it is that doing it properly is not a phone call.

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  • @quiet_plant · 2d ago

    Before any of this, the cheap upstairs fixes are worth exhausting, because they are competing with a real project.

    External shading on the windows that get the sun, ventilation strategy at night rather than during the day, and loft insulation actually being at depth and not squashed. Upstairs overheating is very often solar gain plus a hot roof space rather than a lack of cooling capacity.

    None of it is as satisfying as pressing a button on equipment you already own, but the payback is much better and it reduces the cooling load whatever you decide afterwards.

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