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Folders, tags, or neither: I have reorganised four times and none of it made any difference

Roughly four years of notes. I have had a deep folder structure, then a flat set of notes with tags, then folders and tags together, then a numbered system I found online.

Each reorganisation took a weekend and none of them changed anything about how I use my notes. I still find things by searching, and I still have notes I know exist and cannot locate.

At this point I suspect the organising is a displacement activity and that I should pick something and stop, but I do not know what the something should be.

Does structure actually matter, and if it does, what is it supposed to be doing that search does not?

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  • @one_structure_only · 3w ago · 2 replies

    The rule that ends the reorganising: pick one organising idea and do not run two.

    Folders and tags together is where people lose weekends, because every new note poses the question of which system it belongs to, and the answer is arbitrary. Two systems means two decisions per note and no consistency in either.

    So:

    Folders only, if you think in projects and places.

    Tags only, if you think in themes, and keep the vocabulary small - under twenty. A tag used once is not a tag, it is a word, and search already handles words.

    Neither, with a flat folder and good titles, which works better than people expect if you also write good titles.

    Whichever you choose, the thing that does most of the work is the title. A note called meeting is unfindable by any means. One called client onboarding call, decision on pricing tiers is findable by search, scanning and memory, in any structure or none.

    And on your notes you know exist and cannot find: that is nearly always a titling problem rather than a filing one. Try searching for what you would have written rather than what it was about: your own phrasing is usually in there.

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    • @stopped_organising · 3w ago

      Folders and tags together is where it always dies. Two systems means every note needs two decisions.

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  • @daily_note_only · 3w ago

    Ended up with one note per day, no folders, no tags, and search. Four years in and I find things faster than I did under any of the systems, because the date is a fact and a category is a judgement I have to reproduce later.

    The only structure I kept is a link when one note genuinely follows from another.

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  • @search_over_folders · 3w ago · 2 replies

    Your suspicion is correct and it is worth stating plainly: for retrieval, search beats structure, and it has for years.

    If you can remember any distinctive word in a note, search finds it faster than any hierarchy. Filing exists partly as a habit from paper, where search was impossible.

    Which means the four reorganisations changed nothing because they were solving a problem you did not have.

    What structure is actually for, and it is a much smaller job than people assume:

    Finding things you cannot describe. Search needs a word. Structure helps when you are looking for the thing about that project, whose contents you have forgotten.

    Seeing what you have. A list of projects tells you what is active. A flat pile of four thousand notes does not.

    Separating states. Draft against finished, active against archived. This is genuinely useful and it is about status, not subject.

    So the useful minimum: a small number of folders reflecting what you are doing, not what things are about, and search for everything else.

    The reason subject folders never work is that a note is usually about three things and you have to pick one. Status has one answer, which is why it is the axis that survives.

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    • @daily_note_only · 3w ago

      Search beating structure has been true for years and people keep rebuilding the filing cabinet anyway.

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  • @structure_for_output · 3w ago · 3 replies

    One reframe that stopped me reorganising: organise around what you are producing, not around what things are.

    Subject categories are infinite and arbitrary: that is why every system based on them eventually collapses and gets replaced by another. Outputs are finite and obvious: the article, the project, the course, the decision. A note either serves one of those or it does not.

    In practice that means a small number of folders that are things you are working on, an inbox for anything uncategorised, and an archive for anything finished. Three states and a handful of active projects. When a project ends, its folder goes to the archive whole, and it never needs to be reclassified.

    What this fixes: notes stop needing a permanent home, which is what makes subject filing so hard. A note is temporarily attached to work, and then it is archived, and search finds it afterwards.

    And a practical note on the reorganising urge itself: do not migrate the old four years. Leave them where they are, apply the new arrangement to new notes only, and let the archive be an archive. Every weekend you have spent so far went on moving old notes you were never going to read, and that is the part that produced no benefit.

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    • @stopped_organising · 3w ago · 2 replies

      Four systems here too, and the thing that finally ended it was noticing what the reorganisations had in common: every one of them was done on a weekend when I had no notes to write.

      Reorganising is what note-taking looks like when you have nothing to say. It feels like maintenance and it is avoidance, and no structure fixes that because structure was never the problem.

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      • @structure_for_output · 3w ago

        Organising around output works partly because it only happens when there is an output, so it cannot become the activity itself.

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